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Catch-22 makes me want to scream!
GT6Steve
Posted: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:40 AM
Joined: 12/4/2011
Posts: 33


The unuintended consequences of the HIPA laws once again have me in a tizzy!  The latest comes from the need to have my Bride re-referred to the specialist because her Doctor changed practices.  But the bureacracy prevents me doing anything to advance this.  They won't even tell me her primary care physician listed!

 

To avoid this nonsense I had a Full Power of Attorney done a few years ago.  Section two states this to be a Full Power grant without limitation. and not limited by the enumerations below.

 

Section three enumerates some specific examples.

 

Senior Dimensions is ignoring Section Two and refuses to talk to me because Medical is not specifically mentioned.

 

Hello, What does it say in Section two?

 

Now I have protested and requested a Supervisor.  They'll get back to me within 72 hours.  No really, 72 hours....

 

Meanwhile, Pat's Specialist can't help because she's not a research patient anymore.  The clock is ticking, in three weeks I have to go to Phoenix but the Care center there can't accept Pat for the four days because of not having the Doctors signatures.

 

And I can't get that (Loop back to paragraph one)  AAARRRGGGHHHHH

 

Whenever I deal with mindless bureacracy I develop this same impotent rage.


JAB
Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:10 PM
Joined: 11/30/2011
Posts: 740


Ummm... I'm not sure I understood all of that ... but ... Medicare has its own HIPAA form.  You have to get that filled out and submitted for them to talk to you, a POA doesn't cut it.

 

But you can use the POA to sign the HIPAA authorizing you to get access to your wife's info.


Marp
Posted: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 10:36 PM
Joined: 2/7/2012
Posts: 50


If all that's needed is for him to fill out a Medicare special form, why isn't anyone in the bureaucracy coughing up that information?

 

If we in private industry treated our customers that way, we'd be out of business.


overwhelmed
Posted: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 7:34 AM
Joined: 1/23/2012
Posts: 152


Correct, Medicare does not accept POA; they have their own forms and most likely they will "strongly encourage" you to become your LO's payee so they can be sure your LO's SS,etc. is being used for their benefit only.

I have found even our Dr. doesn't offer info that I don't specifically ask for. I don't know if the bureaucracy, as you call it, has become so used to dealing with all the details that they just assume we, who are dealing with things we never dreamed we'd be up against, know where to look for help.


Iris L.
Posted: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:17 PM
Joined: 12/15/2011
Posts: 16107


overwhelmed wrote:

 

I have found even our Dr. doesn't offer info that I don't specifically ask for. I don't know if the bureaucracy, as you call it, has become so used to dealing with all the details that they just assume we, who are dealing with things we never dreamed we'd be up against, know where to look for help.

 

 

 

Overwhelmed, speaking as a former physician and now a cognitively impaired patient, I can state that the doctors don't know where to direct patients or family members for help regarding dementia.  They don't even know what help is needed.  For example,  a Care Consultant at the Alzheimer's Helpline suggested that I ask at my neurologist's office for a POA for Healthcare form.  They had no idea what I was talking about.  One of the women in the front office went online and downloaded a generic form POA for me.   

 

That's why these boards are so vital to us.  Where else can we learn what we need to know?  And where can we get the support needed to deal with what we find out? 

 

Iris L. 



Marp
Posted: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:58 PM
Joined: 2/7/2012
Posts: 50


When my dad's doctor diagnosed the Alzheimer's disease, he gave my dad a copy of the POA for health care and said it would be a good time to get that done as well as a financial POA.
I guess it depends on the doctor you go to.  The doctor who diagnosed my dad is an ordinary country primary care physician, but he was aware enough to not only recognize the possibility of Alzheimer's fairly quicky, but also to know that there are legal issues the family needs to address and might not think of.
Iris L. wrote:
overwhelmed wrote:

 

I have found even our Dr. doesn't offer info that I don't specifically ask for. I don't know if the bureaucracy, as you call it, has become so used to dealing with all the details that they just assume we, who are dealing with things we never dreamed we'd be up against, know where to look for help.

 

 

 

Overwhelmed, speaking as a former physician and now a cognitively impaired patient, I can state that the doctors don't know where to direct patients or family members for help regarding dementia.  They don't even know what help is needed.  For example,  a Care Consultant at the Alzheimer's Helpline suggested that I ask at my neurologist's office for a POA for Healthcare form.  They had no idea what I was talking about.  One of the women in the front office went online and downloaded a generic form POA for me.   

 

That's why these boards are so vital to us.  Where else can we learn what we need to know?  And where can we get the support needed to deal with what we find out? 

 

Iris L. 


 


Heidi Liane'
Posted: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 2:43 PM
Joined: 12/20/2011
Posts: 66


I amleanring to our bank told me I am covered asa sp[ouse nad alson the accountin case anything happens to my dear husband.

I want tomake sure  I am throughly coivered never mind there say so which wuolodnot stand up in acourt of law, so I guess get a  financialPOA too evenb thuogh  VYstare toldme I donotneed one soince I am alsoon the acocunt as joint owner??

 

Didnotknow thata buotmedicare since hubbyis onit Ibetter geta form filled uot ASAP too from themnadsend iot back with POA too.I gotmyPOA out ofa senior book ata senior expo but they say sites llike legal zoom etc  canhelpout toowithit with POA too.donot know how far they go withit but laws change herein FL.My  girlfiorend form 1983 had toredo he rmoms  POA cause the alws have changed so much too tomake her sol POAnad her brother not.that wuoldbe  me I wuoldnot want uor sons having a word over anything with my hubby orme at all even thuogh theyhavenotbeenin uor life for almost 2 yearsnow theywant backin slowlynad very cautiously I told Stanley he agrees withme on that too. but learned somethng new abuot meidcare thanks for shareing that doI contact themor wilmy hubyhave toi can we doitby e-mail or pover the phone?

  heidi


overwhelmed
Posted: Thursday, February 9, 2012 7:06 AM
Joined: 1/23/2012
Posts: 152


POA for health care should cover the legalities for having access to medical info from your Dr,LO's care facility, etc.but if you ever have need to contact Social Security and discuss Medicare, etc. they do not accept POA as legal proof for access to LO's info. and financial business. SS insists you file papers to become LO's payee. In so doing you are required to account for every cent of your LO's social security.  I do understand the need for all that in this day and age but being treated like I'm going to rip off my husband of nearly 40 years and run away to live a life of luxury on his SS only adds to the stress I already deal with.
Be Strong 2
Posted: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:53 PM
Joined: 12/14/2011
Posts: 1749


My wife's day care payment exceeds her SS benefit by 50%; so much for running off to a Caribbean island.

 

 

Looking shortly at ending day care and entering into memory care facility, so would definitely not have to worry about accounting for the benefit.  Paperwork is a pain, however.  With that I agree.

 

 

 

Bob  


overwhelmed
Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:31 AM
Joined: 1/23/2012
Posts: 152


Be Strong 2 ......guess that's 2 of us that won't be seeing the Carribean soon! 
Katie
Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:09 AM
Joined: 2/9/2012
Posts: 1


YOU need to contact an attorney for a POA to make it legal it must be signed by witnesses there and your spouse must be there too.

YOU need to contact your bank for a RIGHTS OF SURVIVORSHIP Card so you can access the account and control it if your spouse dies.

YOU need to contact your bank for a PAYABLE ON DEATH Card so you can control where your money goes if you both die.