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Jim Broede
Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:49 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


I've learned about politics. As an observer. Over the years. Much of it as a writer. For newspapers. Covering politics. Among other things. Yes, happenstance stirred my interest in politics. I even ran for public office. For the school board. And got elected.  I’m a political liberal. Though that didn’t matter on the school board. I still pay attention to politics. But I avoid participating. Other than writing about politics. When I get a chance. Like here, for instance. I’m aware that I don’t have any significant impact on political matters.  I’m a lone voice in the wilderness. Preaching to squirrels and chipmunks and rabbits. I have better things to do. Than getting deeply involved in politics. My relationships with a few friends. And with my Italian true love. That’s the important stuff.  More important than which party controls congress or the presidency. Though I dislike Republicans. Especially conservatives. Still, I don’t let politics and Republicans affect me in negative ways. Better to just get on with my pursuit of happiness. Finding reasons. To be in love. With life. Politics ain’t one of the reasons. – Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:00 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


Little wonder. That I dislike Republicans. They’re hard-hearted. And downright mean. Wanting to deny illegal immigrants amnesty. The right to stay. And work. In the land that most of ‘em love. That’s why they came here. Albeit in illegal manner. Because life here is much better than in the countries they fled. Can’t blame them. For seeking the good life and happiness. In the so-called land of opportunity.  These illegal immigrants are a good advertisement for America. I don’t see many of them flocking to Syria and other corners of the Middle East. They choose America for good reason. Unlike Republicans, I’ll roll out the welcome mat. A red carpet, too. Thank gawd. We have a president with a kind and warm heart. And a sense of decency. Willing to do the right thing. Over the political objections of conservatives. –Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:38 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


 

I’m proud of my paternal grandfather. For having become an illegal immigrant. He sneaked into the U.S. Around 1900. Looking for a better life. He was a German. And became an American by assimilation. Without my ‘illegal’ grandfather, I’d not be an American. In fact, I would not be. He would not have met my grandmother. They had three children. Including my father. Imagine that. I am thankful. That my grandfather did something illegal. I owe my life.To him. Yes, folks, it’s time to look at the big picture. Of life. In a kindly and appreciative and accepting way. --Jim

 


Jim Broede
Posted: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:50 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


By the way, it wouldn't be bad to practice forgiveness. For those who have done 'wrong.' After all, maybe it was really the right thing. For everyone. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:40 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


I’m for freedom. For everyone. But that takes personal sacrifice. A willingness for a society to provide basic necessities. For everyone. Such as universal health care. And a living wage. And education, Yes, for everyone. And for that to be possible, we have to make sacrifices. To distribute wealth in a way that makes those necessities affordable. For everyone. That means requiring some of us to put more into the public coffers than others. Yes, for the rich to subsidize the poor. To some reasonable extent. That’s how we move in the direction of bringing personal freedom to everyone. If one has the necessities of life, it’s more likely that one will be significantly free. That’s why I’m a political liberal. And a socialist sympathizer. I want freedom. Not only for myself. But for everyone. That’s my perception of the true American way. –Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:47 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


Political liberals want more government. Conservatives prefer less government. Maybe even no government. Thinking that makes for more personal freedom. Allowing everyone to do as they please. Of course, as a liberal, I don’t buy into that. It allows for far too much exploitation. I want people to take the common good into consideration. Forming a society and government that takes care of the needy. Through private and public means. Watching out and caring for each other. Seems to me that if there were a religion that professed and truly practiced such an approach, I’d be a convert. But better yet, let’s bring government into the act. –Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:23 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


Maybe the biggest political mistake America ever made was invading Iraq. Going to war. On hindsight, America should have steered clear of the Arab world. And left Arabs to decide their own fate. Bloody as that may be.  If Arabs decide they want a blood bath – well, so be it. As long as it’s their own blood. Sure, it was Arabs that organized the 911 attack on America. But that probably would never had happened. If America had long ago kept its nose and interference out of the Middle East. America often acts like an imperial power. Like the boss and policeman of the world. Usually, for economic gain.  The time is long overdue for America to set an example for the rest of the world. By making America a thriving and honorable nation. Within its own borders. America doesn’t have to tell the rest of the world to be like us. Instead, tell the Arabs to find their own way. Suited for Arabs. Maybe that’s the way to get along with each other. Live and let live. –Jim
w/e
Posted: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:26 AM
Joined: 3/7/2012
Posts: 1750


Slavery.

Colonialism.

Neo-colonialism.

 

Peoples

  subjugated by masters and commanders.

Peoples

  at war struggling for freedom.

Peoples

   hoping for true democratic principles.

 

 One cry... for basic Human Rights.

  

 

 


Iris L.
Posted: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 3:50 PM
Joined: 12/15/2011
Posts: 16574


An immigrant is someone who has an immigrant visa.  I have more  experience with immigration than most Americans.  I sponsored my husband and my step-son to immigrate to America.  The U.S. already has strong immigration laws.   

 

I had to show that I had sufficient financial funds to support them so that they would not become burdens on the taxpayers, unlike what is happening now.  They had to provide medical reports that showed they did not have communicable diseases, unlike what is happening now.  They had to provide police reports that showed they did not have police records or were criminals, unlike what is happening now. They had to be interviewed by an embassy staff member as to their intentions on immigration.  

 

Only then they were issued a visa to immigrate into the U.S.  We followed all of the immigration laws, which are rational and for a reason.  My step-son served six years in the U.S. Army, and was wounded.  He is now a U.S. citizen.  My husband unfortunately passed away too soon. 

 

Every time we visited the embassy, there were long lines of visa applicants making application.  These are wonderful people, the kind of people we need in the U.S.  At every U.S. embassy around the entire world there are similar applicants who are going through the process of getting a visa to permit immigration to the U.S.  What could we possibly say to these fine applicants to tell them that their following of our American laws is futile?  Should we tell them to jump the line and bypass the law, like others have done?  Why not put in every newspaper in the world, "the U.S. is open, get here anyway you can!"  I think not.

There is a remedy already in place for illegal aliens, who are still citizens of their own countries.  It's called sponsorship.  I did it.  Their relatives can sponsor them, if they meet the requirements.
 

 

I see no reason to thwart our laws.  Most Americans are not aware that we already have a well-thought out immigration policy.  Our current immigration policy is just not being enforced.  Woe is us.

Iris L.
 


Mimi S.
Posted: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:45 PM
Joined: 11/29/2011
Posts: 7029


Jim, In1900 your grandfather was completely free to emigrate to the United States  and in due time apply for naturalization papers.
However, I'm not sure he would have legal if he had tried to move here from China
And this topic is way off the purpose of these boards. 

Jim Broede
Posted: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:58 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


 

Try to look at it this way, Mimi. We’re musing in the musings forum. In part, to alleviate our  minds a little. From the travails of Alzheimer’s. Think of a visit to musings as respite. I hope that’s one reason why care-givers come to musings. For a different experience. Yes, for respite. To get their minds deflected for a little while. To muse about the many wonders of life. We muse here about Alzheimer’s, too. And our experiences with it. But we aim for balance.  And to remind ourselves that there’s a lot more to life. As I have discovered. After 13 years as my dear sweet Jeanne’s care-giver. And in the almost 8 years since Jeanne died. I’m here. To remind everyone. That there can be good and productive and happy life. After Alzheimer. That’s what I am trying to reflect. In most of my postings. The importance of getting on with life. Despite the pitfalls. Life is wonderful. I’m in love. With life. Most of the people who come to musings also seem to be in love. With life, too. Could be why many of them tend to be poets, in their own unique ways. Believe me, Mimi, this is a good place for them to come. For sustenance. For support. In some very meaningful ways. --Jim

 


Jim Broede
Posted: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:17 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


 

You make some very good points, Iris. And no doubt, in a debate, you might outscore me.  But I will stick by my position. For more leniency. For more compassion. For more forgiveness. For so-called illegal immigrants. That’s just me. That’s the way I am. A romantic idealist. I would run the world much different than our politicians.  But they have the power. And I don’t. I accept that. And take it in stride. My consolation: I can muse about it. Another reason why I am in love. With life.  One of the nicest things about you, Iris, is that we can disagree. Even on political matters. And still be friends.  Wouldn’t it be nice if politicians could do the same? --Jim

 


w/e
Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:08 AM
Joined: 3/7/2012
Posts: 1750


Musing is a meditation. A reflection. We are here writing musingly. Whatever the topic. Sometimes about AD. About G-d. About Love. About Life. About Death. About poli-tricks.

Nothing more. Nothing less. Always with respect.

  

Poli-tricks is part of life. Maybe with poli-tricks we'll be able to get more funding from our respective governments for dementia research and

dementia care.

Also, we might be able to raise consciousness for humanity to strive for basic Human Rights.

I was a carer for someone with symptoms of dementia/AD for 10 years.

I've worked all my life to attend to the needs of my fellow human beings.

...

Iris, I am not a Political Scientist; I am not an immigration lawyer.

I believe, that at some point or another, we all come from migrating immigrants (legally and illegally) since we started walking out of Africa.

Not polarising but encompassing, we have populated this earth.

  

We need passports. Government documents. Visa requirements as we pass through from one point of origin to another. It seems that in many countries immigration policies are a big political issue nowadays.  From what I hear, it is a big issue in your country. 

 How will your government deport 3 to 5 million people? The logistics are beyond my imagination! What a huge problem!


Jim Broede
Posted: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:30 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


Happy faces. Tears of joys. That’s what I’m seeing tonight. The result of Obama’s executive order. Allowing maybe as many as 5 million ‘illegal’ immigrants to stay in the U.S.  Of course, not everyone is happy about it. Particularly Republicans. Claiming Obama exceeded his authority. But that’s political poppycock.  Meanwhile, I’m happy. That Obama did the right thing. And I’m happy for the immigrants. Also, gives me reason to be proud of my country. As for Republicans, if they don’t like Obama’s action – well, then they can take their own action. To negate it. By passing a bill. A new immigration law. That suits Republicans. They’ve had ample opportunities to fix the immigration system. Or maybe they think the present system is all right. I don’t know. But hey, this is a free country. And Republicans have a majority in Congress. Gives them the power and the means. To make life more difficult. For Obama. For the immigrants. For their political foes. That’s the nature of the game. But for the moment, we have some mighty happy immigrants. Makes my day. Watching. Observing. All this incredible happiness. Brought about. By the mere stroke of a presidential pen. Ain't human happiness wonderful? –Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:44 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


The pursuit of happiness. I see it. Every day. Around me. And that makes me happy. People embracing the finer things of life. Such as being free. To live in America. The result of noble political action. I love it. When that happens. Makes me happy. When my government. Makes the pursuit of happiness easier. For undocumented immigrants. That’s what a decent government and political system should be all about. Contrast that with what happened in Nazi Germany. Or in modern day Syria. Where the only way to pursue happiness is to flee the country. Rather than flock in. That’s what I like about America. Where we occasionally do the noble thing. –Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:23 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


If I were black instead of white. I mean, the same person. Except for a change in skin color. Thing is, I wouldn’t be the same person. Because my experiences would have been dramatically different. I would have been denied many, many opportunities. Only because of my skin color. That would have frustrated me.  Most likely, made me downright angry. To be denied so very much. Simply because of my skin color. My life was made easier. Because I’m white. There’s no denying it. Ever since I was a youngster, I’ve imagined. Being black. Right here in America. It’s unfair. The way black people have been treated. When I went to work in Florida. In the 1960s. I’d not have landed my job with the local newspaper. If I had been black. I’d not have been able to stay in a white motel. Or eat in a white restaurant.  Or swim at the white beach. Or drink out of the white fountain.  Even today, I’d feel discriminated against. Maybe in more subtle than overt ways. I’d sure as heck not want to live in Ferguson, Missouri.  In fact, I’d avoid a whole lot of places in the USA. That’s the way it is. When imagining. That I’m black-skinned. –Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Thursday, November 27, 2014 3:03 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


I'd also be proud to be. If I were black. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 2:47 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
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How we relate to other people. I think about it. Often. And I observe, too. That convinces me. That there's lots of racial bias. By whites. Toward non-whites. As for the reasons. That's hard for me to figure out. Maybe it's that people have been brought up to be biased. It seems to be so natural. To be biased toward people that don't look like us. Simply because they are another color. Many whites think of themselves as superior. And blacks as inferior.  Meanwhile, I think of biased whites as inferior.  And unbiased whites as fair and open-minded.  I'd like to be more fair and open-minded. Even to bigots. But then, maybe that's going too far. In my attempt at being fair. Sometimes, it's all right to be unfair. To certain people. Especially those that are being grossly unfair. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:10 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


I'm so happy. That we Americans. At the instigation of Obama. Have finally decided to open full diplomatic relations with Cuba. It's long overdue. Time to learn. That we can be nice and civil to people. Even those with whom we have political disagreements. I like living in a diverse world. In which people genuinely try to get along with each other. I've already turned some once  perceived enemies into friends. That's what I call an achievement. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Friday, February 6, 2015 12:25 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


Yes, the world is full of fiendish people. That torture. And kill. Just for the fun of it. A form of entertainment. But also, a way for them to express their hatred of people. That don't think like themselves. Sometimes, it's a religious thing. As if they are doing the fiendish acts. To please their god. Of course, they are sick people. They get their kicks. From watching someone being burned alive. Or having their victims kneel. To have their heads chopped off. Some of us 'civilized' people abhor such acts. And we get holier than thou about it. Forgetting that our civilized society tortures, too. At Abu Grave. And atrocities in the name of war. Think about it. When the Ku Klux Klan lynched black people. For the thrill of it. And I remember going South in the 1960s. For work. And saw racial segregation. And the daily fiendish maltreatment of black people. Wasn't so long ago, too, that the well-educated and 'civilized' Germans. Herded Jews to the gas chambers. And starved them to death. In concentration camps. And look at the platforms of our own political parties. Parts of which seem designed by fiends. I'd even venture to say that there may be a fiend or two on the U.S. Supreme Court. But then, a fiend is in the eye of the beholder. Rarely does a fiend recognize himself/herself as a fiend. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Friday, February 6, 2015 9:15 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


My fervent wish. For a universal language. So I could speak directly. To anyone. Might lead to a better understanding. Of each other. But then, I can speak English to other English-speaking people. And that doesn't guarantee effective communication. Two people. Engaged in dialogue. Have to be willing to listen. And to be tolerant. And reasonably friendly. Unfortunately, not every one is tolerant and friendly. No matter the language they speak. But when we speak the same language. It makes everything easier. Meanwhile, I wonder about other intelligent-life civilizations. On other planets. In other galaxies. If any of them have evolved. With a universal language. Maybe they aren't divided into separate countries and separate ethnic cultures. Imagine that. One big universal country. No reason to go to war. Unless, of course, there's an option for a gigantic civil war. But here's my guess. The civilization has become extraordinarily advanced. So there's never a thought of war. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Sunday, February 8, 2015 11:14 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


I don't know an honest man. Or woman. Probably never will. Because there ain't such a beast. We're all liars. All of us embellish or slant the truth. To some degree. Nobody is perfectly honest. So all this holier-than-thou stuff. About Brian Williams. The NBC news anchor. Being castigated. For stretching the truth. Is a lot of hokum. From untruthful people. Nobody is totally honest. All the time. I'm like everyone else. Make myself look good. By painting a picture. Of me. In a good and deceptive light. We all do it. Every politician does it. Around the clock. Some haven't spoken the truth in eons. And advertisers. They are masterful at distorting the truth. I suspect that most of the time, Williams tries to give a reasonable semblance of the truth. But he's handicapped. Like the rest of us. Because we wouldn't recognize the truth if it hit us over the head. Williams and most personalities on TV are entertainers. They are trying to present the news to us in entertaining fashion. To improve ratings. They covet being celebrities. Being famous. And being high paid. They are willing to compromise the truth. In order to get ahead. And even those of us who aren't famous or high paid --sell our souls to get ahead. I look at all news reports. With skepticism. I've been in the news business. A writer for newspapers. Therefore, I have ample reason to be skeptical. I've seen it from the inside. I am like Diogenes the Cynic. The Greek philosopher. Carrying a lamp in the daytime. Claiming to be looking for an honest man. Yes, one could look forever. And never find one. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


I love America more than Rudolph Giuliani. Of course, that's easy. Because Giuliani is a goofball. A politician. Who doesn't know how to measure love. He thinks it's good enough to merely proclaim love. To simply go through the motions. To pretend that one is a super patriot. Because he's a conservative Republican. Believing in America uber alles. Unconditionally. Just like Hitler did. Only that was in behalf of Deutschland. I abhor such declarations. Because they are political. That ain't love. At least when it comes to country. I can love another human being. Unconditionally. But not a country unconditionally. I draw a line. Because too many countries can be inhumane. And when that happens. I renounce my love. Until my country shapes up. And meets humane standards. For me, that's the real test of true love of country. Of true patriotism. It comes conditionally. Thing is. I stick around. And oppose nonsense. The rants of a Giuliani. Who proclaims that he's a better lover of America than Barack Obama. Now that's a preposterous statement. Giuliani is either lying. Or he's plain stupid. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:45 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


Unfortunately, when I take on politicians. I'm forced to descend. Into the gutter. Because that's where most politicians reside. Especially the ones I want to fight. So I resort to gutter tactics. I counter gutter politics with gutter language. With insults. Of course, I don't particularly like the dirt and grime in the gutter environment. When I'm in Rome, I do as the Romans. Which doesn't bother me. Because the Romans are mostly nice people. And when I'm in the gutter, I start acting like the gutter dwellers. Yes, that's shameful. Doesn't make me proud. But that's the way it is. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a fair fight. I force the politicians to taste their own putrid medicine. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:40 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


Really. I'm having fun. When I become annoyed. With politicians. Gives me the opportunity to become critical. Sarcastic. Insulting. Denigrating. With no qualms of conscience. When I call them the scum of the Earth. And that includes Supreme Court justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito. Because they are politicians. In robes. Disguised as fair-minded justices. Of course, arguments could be made. That all nine of the justices are politicians. Of one stripe or another. But I have to admit. I'm biased. My definition of fair-minded is someone who thinks like me. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Friday, March 20, 2015 6:26 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
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We are living in a world. Where people don't want to get along with each other. Or so it seems. There's less and less give and take. Especially on political issues. Political parties want everything to go their way. Zero tolerance of the other. All or nothing. It's a sad state of affairs. Compromise is considered a dirty word. Makes me leery of the future. All the more reason to retreat to my cocoon. To escape from the world. To live in isolation. With my amore mio. With a few friends. Because engagement with the world. Makes happiness and survival perilous. --Jim Broede
Jim Broede
Posted: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:23 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


Take the Israelis and the Palestinians. Two tribes. That can’t get along with each other. Oh, a few do. Individually. But collectively, they dislike/distrust/abhor each other. Meanwhile, I’d be able to live with Israelis. And with Palestinians. And find ways to get along. But then, I’m not an Israeli. Or a Palestinian. Maybe that makes the difference. Instead, I’m a romantic idealist. And a spiritual free-thinker. Maybe that makes the difference. Therefore, I encourage both sides in this political divide to become romantic idealists and spiritual free-thinkers. Let’s see. If that solves all sorts of political problems. It’s worth a try. –Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:58 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
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I’d not want to live with certain religious fanatics. Especially the ones that wouldn’t respect my desire to be a spiritual free-thinker. And demand, instead, that I follow their fanatical ways. Or risk being executed. That ain’t a nice way to live. In fact, it’s downright preposterous. And unacceptable. I’d be dead in no time. What’s even more preposterous. The world is full of these sorts of religious fanatics. Another sign that the world is going to hell. --Jim


Jim Broede
Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:58 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
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'Bomb, bomb Iran.' That's the chant of stupid Republican Senator John McCain. And he really means it. As do many conservative American politicians. Of which there are far too many. But I'm a political liberal. And I see the Middle East political dilemma differently. To me, Iran looks like a potential ally and friend. Yes, the Iranian leadership tends to be strongly anti-American. Which is all right. America deserves to be taken with a high degree of suspicion and skepticism. For its chants of 'Bomb, bomb Iran.' Of course, bombing and warfare would be a horrible way to resolve political issues. Diplomacy and negotiations would be far better. Obama and the more liberal elements of American politic are trying that. Especially when it comes to taming Iran's desire to develop a nuclear bomb. Iran seems willing to work out a deal. In which there's compromise, aka reasonable give and take. Of all the political players in the Middle East, Iran seems to be the most civilized. The most willing to act sensibly. The most willing to send in troops to oppose and combat the Islamic State. Oddly, that puts Iran on the same side as the Americans. Imagine that. Americans having reason to look at the Iranians as the good guys. Plus the fact that the Iranians seem willing to make a deal. On curtailing their nuclear ambitions. Plus, many young Iranians have an affinity for Americans. Yes, the relations between Iran and America went awry. In the 1970s. When Iran seized American hostages. And held them for a long time. But the hostages came out. Alive. And imagine now. If the Islamic State held American hostages. They'd come out with their heads chopped off. Murdered in cold blood. Like I say, the Iranians seem a bit more civilized. Let' talk, talk, talk. Sure beats bomb, bomb, bomb. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Thursday, April 2, 2015 1:29 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


Time for the anti-Obama conservatives to fess up. They really dislike Obama for one reason. He's black. And they are white. Deep down, in their souls, they are racists. They despise black people. Especially a black president. Having decided the White House was built solely for white people. Otherwise, it would be called the Black House. Some of these white conservatives proclaim that Obama was born in Kenya. Despite his American birth certificate. They also purport that Obama is a secret Muslim. As if that matters. Shouldn't matter what Obama is. A Muslim. A Christian. A Jew. Or even an atheist. If these conservative critics truly fessed up, they'd admit. The thing they dislike most about Obama. Is his blackness. --Jim
Jim Broede
Posted: Saturday, April 4, 2015 1:09 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
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I'd like to turn back the clock. Maybe 15 years. To before the U.S. invaded Iraq. And really started meddling full-scale in the Middle East. In essence, we broke it. And never fixed it. Made the situation far worse than if we had left well enough alone. And allowed the Middle East nations to fix themselves. We'll never know. But I suspect the Middle East autocratic rulers, such as Saddam Hussein, would have taken iron-fisted control. And forced some reasonable degree of orderliness. Exactly what the Middle East needs. The people there aren't suited for Western-style ways of living and governing. They should be allowed to go their own unique Middle Eastern ways. If they want to obliterate each other, that's fine with me. But I'd like to think. That some day, they would find ways to live in peace and harmony. On their own. Without a meddling USA. --Jim
Logan
Posted: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:56 PM
Joined: 12/16/2011
Posts: 204


Mr. Broede,

You stated "Time for the anti-Obama conservatives to fess up. They really dislike Obama for one reason. He's black. And they are white. Deep down, in their souls, they are racists. They despise black people"

I take exception to this statement . I am a conservative who does not care for President Obama's policies . Not because of his skin color but because I do not agree with his vision for America. Period.

I am always puzzled when another soul who does not know me or know what kind of ethical or moral character I have makes broad sweeping judgments against that very character because I do not agree with that person's political ideology. It's very difficult to have interesting, thought provoking conversations ( mental gymnastics, my late father used to call them) with those that open with baseless accusations.

May you find peace and happiness

Logan



Jim Broede
Posted: Sunday, April 5, 2015 11:04 PM
Joined: 12/22/2011
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Please tell me, Logan, what it is that you don't like about Obama's vision for America? And what sort of vision would you prefer? I'm also curious about how you'd define Obama's vision. And whether Obama would consider that an accurate description. Meanwhile, I'm wrong. If I implied that all political conservatives are racists. Instead, I mean that the racist element in America generally come from the ultra-conservative side of the political spectrum. The people who claim Obama wasn't born in America. Or that he's a secret Muslim. They should know better. They have the makings of a racist mentality. --Jim
Logan
Posted: Monday, April 6, 2015 10:02 AM
Joined: 12/16/2011
Posts: 204


Mr. Broede,

I'm not going to debate here as I really don't feel this is the proper forum for such a discourse. I responded because, as I stated in my reply, I am increasingly puzzled by those who attack on a personal level when faced with another's different and often times opposing viewpoint. In my experience the attacks are usually generated from one purporting to find offense at another's intolerance. Ironic wouldn't you agree?

I appreciate your reply and I quote, "Meanwhile, I'm wrong. If I implied that all political conservatives are racists. Instead, I mean that the racist element in America generally come from the ultra-conservative side of the political spectrum." However, there was no implication in your words. You were quite clear in your opinion of conservatives. Other statements made by you in your previous posts on this thread also point to a very firm held belief that conservatives are , shall we just say , less than stellar .

Again I quote,"Little wonder. That I dislike Republicans. They’re hard-hearted. And downright mean "

"stupid Republican Senator"

"Time for the anti-Obama conservatives to fess up. They really dislike Obama for one reason. He's black. And they are white. Deep down, in their souls, they are racists. They despise black people."

So I will remain puzzled by those who make political , religious, philosophical differences into personal character deficiencies in persons who hold alternate ideas.

May you find peace and happiness

Logan



Jim Broede
Posted: Monday, April 6, 2015 11:45 AM
Joined: 12/22/2011
Posts: 5462


I like you, Logan. You are a respectful conservative. We could sit down. And have an interesting discourse. About politics. It would be so nice if conservatives and liberals could become genuine friends. And be polite to each other. We can do it. Individually. Unfortunately, political parties dictate the rules of the game. And often it's rigid intolerance. I fall into that trap far too often. Because that's the way politic is played. With mutual disrespect. Rather than mutual respect. But you and I could make a difference. One on one. A true dialogue. I would have no problem respecting you and your ways and your thoughts. I am listening to you. Because I sense you are a sensitive and fair-minded and respectful conservative. And I would counter by trying to be a sensitive and fair-minded and respectful liberal. Unfortunately, America is full of far too many disrespectful politicians. From both sides of the aisle. Mistrustful of each other. --Jim