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sheilajoe
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 11:53 AM
Joined: 11/14/2018
Posts: 2


I was told three years ago that I had extensive amyloid buildup in my brain.  Last week I was dx with MCI or beginning alz.  Does the Amyaloid have anything to do with the MCI?
RetiredGeek
Posted: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 3:03 PM
Joined: 12/24/2018
Posts: 8


Hi, I'm new to ALZconnected and trying to get my arms around Alzheimer's Disease and the slew of other dementia types.

The following is from this website:

https://www.identifyalz.com/en_us/home/alzheimers-disease-pathophysiology 

I hope it helps.

Research has shown that when amyloid beta is no longer cleared from the brain, it accumulates and can lead to neurodegeneration1,2 long before the first symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease start to become visible.3-6

This understanding of Alzheimer’s disease highlights the importance of early detection and diagnosis as a central component of future patient care.

It is believed that Alzheimer’s disease is based on the buildup of two proteins in the brain—amyloid beta and tau—thought to be caused by advanced age and/or genetic factors.1,7-9

One of the pathological hallmarks of Alzheimer’s disease is the abnormal accumulation of amyloid beta, due to an imbalance in production and inadequate clearance in the brain.1,7,9

While beta-amyloid plaques are a hallmark of Alzheimer’s disease, amyloid beta exists in multiple forms, including1:

  • Monomers (single proteins)
  • Oligomers (small aggregates of proteins)
  • Fibrils (long aggregates of proteins)
  • Plaques

It is unclear whether all or only some of these beta-amyloid forms are damaging to the brain, but there is evidence to support that aggregated forms, such as oligomers and plaques, may be toxic to nerve cells.1

In people with Alzheimer’s disease, the presence of amyloid beta is believed to trigger a pathological cascade that may promote the abnormal phosphorylation of tau protein, which leads to the formation of neurofibrillary tangles within neurons.7

Together, abnormal accumulation of beta-amyloid plaques and neurofibrillary tangles can impair neuronal function because of neuronal and synaptic loss (atrophy) in the brain, and may cause neurodegeneration.1,7


dolor
Posted: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 5:24 PM
Joined: 11/9/2017
Posts: 310


RetiredGeek,

Yes, your post is helpful, and like everything related to the dementia diseases, raises more questions than it answers. 

Dementia is becoming epidemic-why?  Why is amyloid beta "no longer cleared" from some brains and not others? Why are women disproportionately affected? Why did these diseases' meteoric rise start with my grandparent's generation (it is not an issue of identifying)? How "long before symptoms of Alz start" does this accumulation of amyloid beta happen? Is this manifested in subtle personality changes? Does the amyloid beta -cause-the mis-processing of tau? How is early detection ever going to be possible with insurance companies, and thus our massively for profit only health care system, completely resistant?

And that's just for starters. 


Alicekip
Posted: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 10:52 PM
Joined: 12/25/2018
Posts: 12


I found one of the best explanations of the amyloid buildup in this book

 Dr Dale E. Bredesen, MD  has written and excellent book The end of Alzheimer's. 

He has really gone in depth in researching Alzheimers and has some excellent theories as to why it has become more of an epidemic in these days, and is on the cutting edge as to what we can do about it.

The book is available from Amazon. Also in kindle. It is quite a detailed book.  

I have the book in kindle and hardback.  It really helped me understand some of the dynamics of dementia and actually offered some help where we could find no other.

A.


dayn2nite2
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:26 AM
Joined: 6/20/2016
Posts: 1836


Please note the above person has chosen their very first post here to hawk a questionable book.  Every month or so, people come here under different names to talk about the book and its author or the make up a story about putting their LO on the diet and supplements with miraculous improvement.  It’s only to sell books, which makes me think that the author or people working for the author are trying to take advantage of desperate people.
Alicekip
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:14 AM
Joined: 12/25/2018
Posts: 12


I think it may be unreasonable to come to the conclusions you have come to. 

You have made a blank and unjustified statement.

I have come to this board seeking help and answers.

I found the book helpful in its explanation of a amaloid  plaque and many things which I questioned about the conditions surrounding Alzheimer's and Dementia.

I am a seeker of solutions and help as you are.

I am really hurt by this blast.  Please do not dismiss me in this way.

I am not hawking any book of a questionable nature. I am just sharing something's which I am finding useful in my quest to cope, as a caregiver and friend of one who has dementia.

I am still seeking answers, help and friendship, which I have found at this forum

I cannot believe there are people who are so insensitive here.

I guess that is life, but we do not need this kind of thing when our hearts are heavy with all that we face with a friend who has dementia.

I am not letting this make me leave the forum. I have already found answers and consolation here, for which I am very grateful.

Please let me stay.

A

 


Alicekip
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:18 AM
Joined: 12/25/2018
Posts: 12


Just to tell you why i came to this forum,

My Mum had dementia when she died age 97.  My best friend has been developing symptoms of dementia, and i am looking for answers and other peoples experiences.  This is a terrific forum.

I also signed up once, to this forum, and asked a question of the other participants, and forgot my password .  So i may be also developing symptoms of the disease.!  I signed up again,with this username, and wrote my password down.

This is a wonderful place and i am looking forward to learning and sharing.

Thank you

A

 


Mimi S.
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:47 PM
Joined: 11/29/2011
Posts: 7036


Welcome to our world, newbies. I am so glad you found our site.

There is a lot of information available about tau and amyloid. Currently, one has to have evidence of amyloid to have a definite diagnosis of Alz. Since this is difficult to find out without expensive tests. 

Some folks find out years later that they don't technically have the disease. Some of these feel they have misled others. They should not. They now something is wrong. perhaps someday there will be a new definition. An amyloid Alzheimer's and a non-amylid variety.


Skittles412
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:14 PM
Joined: 5/14/2018
Posts: 202


day2nite that really makes me angry.  I never even thought of people doing something so low and inhumane but I forget what kind of world we live in.
Alicekip
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:46 PM
Joined: 12/25/2018
Posts: 12


So you think I am one of those scumbags, then?

dayn2nite2
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:32 PM
Joined: 6/20/2016
Posts: 1836


Alicekip wrote:

Just to tell you why i came to this forum,

My Mum had dementia when she died age 97.  My best friend has been developing symptoms of dementia, and i am looking for answers and other peoples experiences.  This is a terrific forum.

I also signed up once, to this forum, and asked a question of the other participants, and forgot my password .  So i may be also developing symptoms of the disease.!  I signed up again,with this username, and wrote my password down.

This is a wonderful place and i am looking forward to learning and sharing.

Thank you

A

 

 

I find it interesting that someone else with a user name starting with "Alice" also posted today on the Clinical Trials board hawking the same book.  

Feel free to post about other subjects, if you're not just here to sell it then post about other things.

Just pointing out facts.  Stop trying to sell that book.


MissHer
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 5:47 PM
Joined: 11/13/2014
Posts: 2115


Hi

I bought that book and it's very informative and easy to read. My mom had alz and passed on and I didn't put her on that diet due to, a little late in the game. Thank you


Alicekip
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:48 PM
Joined: 12/25/2018
Posts: 12


Bless you, MissHer!

My Mom passed on before we had the book or knew anything at all about her symptoms or what to do about dementia..

This has all been a learning experience for me.  

It is SO difficult to watch someone suffer the different symptoms of dementia/Alz.  

First I had to watch my Mom and suffered with her, and now my best friend is beginning to have the same symptoms .and it is agony as a caregiver, because we so much want them to have the best possible life. 

So I am just trying to learn everything I can, and be of whatever help I can be to whoever crosses my path.

I think the book had some tips to follow, but quite difficult to do in practice..like limiting sweets when they are craved so much.  Like fasting 16 hours, when it is difficult to do.. But all these little things we learn from each other, and especially the support we find when we are being crushed by it all ..well, they help,us get through it all.

Thank you for your kindness.

A


Alicekip
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:57 PM
Joined: 12/25/2018
Posts: 12


Please read my posts, please.dayn2nite2

I mentioned that I signed up once and forgot my password and had to sign up again. I am not trying to sell the book.  Please please please try to understand. I am trying to tell you everything..to open my heart here..I am not hawking anything.  Please read my posts.

I posted another one following this one.  I hope it is ok.  I do not want to upset anyone.

I am so sorry I offended you.  I am so sorry for anyone who has to suffer through caring for someone with Alz/ or dementia. I am so sorry for the loss of your Mom to The disease. I also lost my Mom. It is agony seeing another suffer through this.

This is the second time I am experiencing this as now my best friend is showing symptoms. I feel so helpless to do anything. and it is not fun.  I am just trying to learn everything I can and find a place where I can find support and give support.

Thank you for trying to understand, I hope.

A


Alicekip
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:59 PM
Joined: 12/25/2018
Posts: 12


Ps. I did post to another thread but so far, no replies.
Alicekip
Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 7:02 PM
Joined: 12/25/2018
Posts: 12


Got a reply

 

It was a post asking for I pad helps..

 https://www.alzconnected.org/discussion.aspx?g=posts&t=2147544969

Thanks to all for kindnesses

A


Lane Simonian
Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:35 AM
Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 4504


I had a simple answer to your post, when first reading it over the holidays, but now with some good additional comments, I realize that a more complicated answer is necessary.

One of the big questions in Alzheimer's disease is what role does amyloid play in the disease.  The most likely explanation is that amyloid (especially amyloid oligomers) can contribute to the disease but are not the main cause.  Thus some people can have significant amounts of different forms of amyloid in their brain without having Alzheimer's disease and some people have very little amyloid in their brain and still have Alzheimer's disease.

Oxidative stress precedes and contributes amyloid formation in the brain (it also inhibits the clearance of amyloid).  Many factors contribute to oxidative stress in the brain including but not limited to a diet high in sugar, carbohydrates, and salt, environmental toxins, various medications, and a stressful life.  Dr. Bredesen has identified 36 such factors.  In addition to trying to reduce exposure to these risk factors, his protocol also involves the use of antioxidants.  His list is not likely complete and a few of the risk factors that he identifies may not be actual risk factors.  And there may be more effective antioxidants (such as compounds found in panax ginseng and in some essential oils via aromatherapy) than the ones on his list.

The misfolding of amyloid and tau proteins may be contributing factors to Alzheimer's disease but they are rarely the sole causes.  Most likely that is why efforts to go after these proteins has not resulted in any real progress against the disease.


Vik
Posted: Friday, March 8, 2019 9:37 AM
Joined: 2/26/2019
Posts: 172


So is there anyway for us dementia patients to help get rid of those amyloids in our brains?  A therapeutic massage and canio-sacral therapy helps tbe body rid itself of toxins so im wondering if either of those moldalities would also help in removing amyloids in our brains?  I use to hav a magnetic mattress pad that really helped get rid of toxins too.  Unfortunately i gave it to a friend who has M.S. bfor i was  diagnsd with early onset dementitia.
Vik
Posted: Friday, March 8, 2019 9:40 AM
Joined: 2/26/2019
Posts: 172


I totally agree!
Vik
Posted: Friday, March 8, 2019 9:43 AM
Joined: 2/26/2019
Posts: 172


Thanks fi2r sharing info about the book. I can hardly wait to start in on it.
Vik
Posted: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:14 AM
Joined: 2/26/2019
Posts: 172


Holistic practices, vitamins, and foods are ALWAYS dubbed as "snake oil" too.  How many of us still use Vicks vapor rub when we hav a cold???? That stuff really helps!  Its ALWAYS WISE to INVESTIGATE any holistic services or foods bfor jumping in and tryimg somethimg advertised as a "cure."
Vik
Posted: Friday, March 8, 2019 5:15 PM
Joined: 2/26/2019
Posts: 172


Skittles4 i luv your nickname! I wasnt very creative when i became a member and my sadness was consuming me.  Im hoping i Can change my nickname now to something more creative. This group has REALLY HELPED me in my daily struggles, and look forward to readimg daily writings here!
Mimi S.
Posted: Friday, March 8, 2019 7:52 PM
Joined: 11/29/2011
Posts: 7036


Welcome to our world Vic. I'm so glad you found our site and sorry to hear about your recent diagnosis.

i would advise others to be leer about the methods you believe can remove amyloid from the body. i do believe if this were trued. such knowledge would be broadcast from the rooftops.